0:00 Intro
0:28 We think of our existence as the body – is this our real existence or is it something else?
3:38 Is existence always in duality, or does it not need a second thing to exist?
5:09 Are existence and awareness the same?
5:34 Is awareness permanent but existence not permanent?
6:56 What is the source of existence?
7:51 Is this awareness which gives the sense of existence the same as the consciousness of existence?
10:20 Where has this mind come from and what is its existence?
13:16 Is this feeling of existence the source of my entity?
15:03 What is this awareness and how can I become aware of it?
17:52 Is my consciousness and your consciousness two different things or is it one single mass?
19:18 Is it because we thing our appearance in this world as our existence that prevents awareness of our permanent existence?
22:08 Even if I go to Mars or the Moon, if my mind is not under my control, I will always be unhappy?
24:15 Are human beings the most vulnerable beings because we are always dancing to the emotions of the mind ?
28:37 Every time we make a judgement are we going away from our existence?
31:06 Having value for every life at the same time as awareness of the permanent existence.
35:46 Purification of the mind allows consideration of people around you.
39:30 My existence as an individual brings lot of desires – how to overcome this drama of my own emotions?
42:54 As it is described in the Yoga Vasistha, how time and space are in the illusion.
46:55 Are time and space the same or two different things?
48:52 Is existence beyond time and space?
50:05 If there is no birth or death, where is there a place for rebirth, and why would the soul want to play the game of birth and death?
52:58 If all consciousness is the same, why do we have to be physically here?
54:52 Why does the mind create all these emotions and how to transcend all the emotions?
58:25 How has the pure consciousness become 8 billion minds?
1:00:40 What is maya and how is it different than visions and dreams?
1:05:23 What does Yoga Vasistha mean by ‘no mind’?
1:06:15 In the context of existence is everything pre-determined?
1:09:40 Is karma in the brain and the body or in the mind?
1:10:18 Does Swamiji come in bhava samadhi?
1:11:54 A fear and body movement when sitting for longer meditations.
1:12:58 How long does it take to realise the Self?
1:14:26 Is consciousness and the Self the same?
1:14:55 Should we continue to follow a previous Guru? Is it ok to follow more than one Guru?
1:15:54 Headache when practicing meditation.
1:16:52 How to progress in spiritual path when experiencing obstacles in life.
1:17:42 Does our consciousness still experience individuality when it merges with the Self?
1:19:53 If we have dreams, does that mean our minds are not pure?
1:21:15 A strong identification of the body outside meditation.
1:22:17 A pressure felt in between eyebrows during meditation and outside meditation – is that normal?

Discourse: In Quest of Truth – online Q&A no.212
Mystery of Existence
You tube Link: https://youtu.be/bo0lBLPK3Zc   
Recorded: 14 September 2024

Start of Questions and Answers

Ma Ambaji:   Pranams at Your Lotus Feet, thank You for giving me one more time this opportunity, Babaji.  So, Baba, today’s topic is the ‘Mystery of Existence.’  So, Baba, we all know that we exist.  But where do we exist, nobody knows.  Because we think our existence as a body; this body which I recognize as ‘I am’ is my existence.  But is this my real existence or the existence is something else?

Babaji Maharaj:   Yeah.  It’s very true that hardly anybody would know where do we exist.  Because the consciousness awareness, conscious awareness is on the body.  So, just now, almost all humans are aware that they are in this world as a human body.  Themselves also, they recognize with a name and this form and other identities, like belonging to a place, belonging to some faith, belonging to this, having a status in the society in that body’s name.  So, when you call, their awareness will be on their physical body.  But to know where we exist, one of the basic things the ancient sages understood is, when we keenly observe, then we know the truth.  This was the first point they understood.  Second point, they tried to ponder, “So, now, where do we observe?”  Then they realized, “If we have to observe, it has to be the mind.”  Mind is the powerhouse.  Mind is the one which is giving us the consciousness. 

So, through the mind, if we have to observe, the mind needs to be free of its other observations.  Just like, we tell that the mind is totally preoccupied observing the thoughts and visions that are in the mind, which are nothing but mind’s imaginations.  That was how the sadhana or the meditation, what we call ‘observing,’ ‘attention to’ perhaps came into existence.  Since time immemorial.  We don’t know when it started, who actually started.  We believe it came down from the Divine.  However, these are the points that anybody needs to ponder over.  So, then they have to get rid of all the thoughts and visions, then they will be able to locate themselves; where and how they exist will be possible.  This is my experience. 

Ma Ambaji:   So, Baba is the existence always in duality or the existence happens without the duality.  I exist,  I can only know because there are so many things that are around me.  I exist because this body exists on this planet.  And I have relations, friends, and they all exist on the same planet.  And things around me.  Is the existence based on the duality or it doesn’t need a second to exist?

Babaji Maharaj:   It doesn’t need a second ego existence because the thing of existence that you are looking for is you, yourself.  That means you have to simply become aware of yourself; you won’t be identifying anything else other than you as an existence.  So, the duality is not needed.  Then you are not existing outside your real Self also, actually.  So, thus, the question of somebody else knowing something else doesn’t arise.  It ends there.  You have to become aware of yourself.  That is why it is known as Self-Realization. 

Ma Ambaji:   So, Baba is existence and awareness  the same; or because of the awareness, the existence of ‘I am’ as an individual is there? 

Babaji Maharaj:   You become aware of your existence.  That means they both are not same.  Existence is of the Self and becoming aware is of the Self. 

Ma Ambaji:   So, Baba is the awareness permanent, but the existence not permanent?

Babaji Maharaj:   Existence is permanent, actually.  Awareness is not permanent, because just before the merger you become aware.  Once the actual merger of the mind with the Self happens, the awareness also disappears.  There is no need to become aware.  It is you!  You are in yourself.  When you are away from yourself, you are searching for yourself, you are searching for peace.  These two, three things – One is you are searching for peace; unknown to you, you are searching for yourself thus.  So, once you as the second entity that which is an ego which really does not exist, in consciousness, that merges with the Self – there is peace and there you are.  So, both disappear.  You don’t need to search for peace anymore because you are peaceful now.  And you don’t need to become aware of anything because you are yourself now. 

Ma Ambaji:   Baba, I am a little bit confused here.  So, what is the source of my existence?  Is it my recognition which gives strength to this existence, or it is always there; I am the one who is recognizing it as an individual self?

Babaji Maharaj:   The source of existence is that Self itself; it is always there.  Simply, you had forgotten, or you have forgotten because of your preoccupation with something else in consciousness.  Thus, temporarily an illusion has happened that you have forgotten yourself and you are aware of something else that is not you, but it’s your imagination. 

Ma Ambaji:   So, Baba, like You always say that “This feeling of existence is always there.”  Even while we are in deep sleep, there is this sense of existence always there.  Means ‘I’, that sense of ‘I’ doesn’t disappear even when I am in a very deep sleep.  And when I wake up, I can relate that it was me who experienced the deep sleep.  So, is this awareness which gives me the sense of existence, is it not the same thing which is like this conscious… 

Babaji Maharaj:   So, now you are aware of yourself.  That means a duality comes into existence.  You becoming aware of yourself.  That will stop when you totally settle back to yourself; you exist only in yourself.  In the same way, as I tell, amongst millions of thoughts that are in the mind, means within you only, there is a consciousness of existence.  That is a reality and not an imagined thing.  Whereas, the rest of the thoughts and visions are all imagined things that are in your mind or in other words, that are in you.  You can make them disappear if you don’t hold onto it in your consciousness.  Means, you keep playing your game with your own imagination, thus you don’t allow the imaginations to disappear.  By playing with your imaginations, you sustain your imagination and thus you become preoccupied with your imagination and forget the truth of your existence and unnecessarily you experience, stress, fear, insecurity and so on.  And the loss of peace and contentment happens. 

Ma Ambaji:   Baba, I understand.  Baba, the mind always stays in duality, means it’s never ever in the present.  Like You say, it’s always either in the past or in the future, it’s never in the present.  So, Baba, what is the actual source?  Where has this mind come from?  And what is its existence?

Babaji Maharaj:   Mind is actually you.  Simply when you are imagining, the thoughts are there; because thoughts are there, a separation has temporarily appeared and thus you have recognized it as mind.  Means you have recognized yourself separately as a mind.  You always address it, “My mind.  I want to do it.”  Both simultaneously sometimes keep going.  “I want to go and come back.  I want to go to the town.”  It is actually your mind which is wanting to go to the town.  You tell “The mind wants to go there.”  So, thus, you see, both are same actually, but a temporary illusion has happened. Because you have started thinking, the moment you have started thinking, thoughts appear on the screen of you.  Screen is the Self which is infinite, which is not visible.  Thus, the Self is not visible and the mind is also not visible. 

If you remember, in my talks and and teachings, I keep telling, you cannot show where the mind is.  You cannot show what is your mind, what is its color, what is its shape.  Nobody has seen it in naked eyes.  Not possible.  Simply, you recognize based on thoughts and visions.  You call “My mind”, but where is this mind also, you don’t know.  This is what is ‘trying to locate’ in meditation.  While trying to locate, you go on observing.  While observing, slowly you become quiet.  Means, thoughts and visions disappear.  Then you are there.  Then also you will simply experience that that Self is all-pervaded.  Wherever you try to move your consciousness you will see you are there – as long as the separation is there; before merger, I am talking.  Once the merger happens, you have merged with the all-pervaded and you are that all-pervaded and there is no second entity.  So, the awareness also disappears, and you are there. 

Ma Ambaji:   So Baba for somebody very ordinary, means who has never experienced this state of just being like You are saying, that there is no awareness, You just exist.  So, for someone like me, I can’t say that, because I am not existing nowhere, and at the same time, I can’t say that my mind is full of thoughts and I am not my only thoughts – I am an entity which I recognize as myself.  So, you say that my mind is a bundle of thoughts, but I am not those thoughts, I exist.  So, is this existence, this feeling of my existence my source of entity?

Babaji Maharaj:   Yeah, the feeling of existence is the source of entity, but you are imagining that feeling of existence as something else, like for example, body, and if it is a name, with Ambaji – any such thing, for everybody I am talking.  So, like that you are identifying yourself because you are confused and you don’t know who you are.  Means consciously you are not aware and you are not merged with the Self also.  Consciously you are out of your real Self because you are into imaginations and that is why thoughts and visions are there which is making you unhappy, making you to go into cravings and making you to be unhappy always.  The contentment doesn’t come, the peace doesn’t descend. 

Ma Ambaji:   Yes.  So, Baba, You constantly say ‘this awareness, this awareness.’  What is ‘this awareness’?  And how can I be aware of that also?

Babaji Maharaj:   Existence is the only awareness; consciousness of existence.  That is the nearest clue that I can tell or give you.  When you meditate, close the eyes – I instruct “Just keep watching in between eyebrows,” means you should not imagine, you should not try to analyze, do not make any judgment.  Always mind wants to analyze and make a judgment.  That means it is egoistic.  Egoistic means it wants to show that it knows everything about the thought.  It doesn’t know what the thought is; simply it is imagining.  That’s why we call one man’s food is another man’s poison.  It thinks “This is wrong,” so that is its imagination.  It thinks “This is right,” that is its imagination.  It thinks “This is good,” that is its imagination, “That is bad,” it is its imagination.  All are appearing simply because of imagination.  In spite of that, you are not obtaining a permanent peace.  That means there is something wrong in your visualization.  If you stop that one, then the peace descends. 

Because you are already peaceful.  Because you only are trying to unnecessarily jump into the air, you lose peace.  You just sit down quietly; that’s what the Master says, means to the mind.  Keep the mind just quiet, you will be peaceful.  You don’t need anything else for your peace.  You give anything, you give the empirership of the entire universe, it will not sit quietly.  It will seek more, it will seek more, it will not be contented.  It wants to be more powerful.  The moment it imagines there can be something else that is more powerful, then it goes into craving; “We need to become more powerful.”  If you see this world and its history, people trying to become more and more powerful, one against the other, one above the other, they go into such competition, generally we call it as a cold war, you know? Because everybody wants to be more powerful, increasing, increasing power, increasing power.  So, they don’t have peace, they are insecure. 

Ma Ambaji:   So, Baba, it’s very amazing to me whenever You say “Your existence, your existence”.  So, when I am aware of my existence, and this consciousness that gives me this awareness – is my consciousness and Your consciousness two different things, or it’s just a one single mass which exists? 

Babaji Maharaj:   Mind are two different things because consciousness coming in touch with the brain’s reflections, registering that reflection in itself, in appearance it has become different, but actually not different.  It is the same.  Just like the space inside the earthen pot and the space inside a drum is all the same.  Simple.  From outside, you may tell, “No, the space is of drum shape.”  Another says, “No, no, the space is of round earthen pitcher shape.”  It doesn’t make any sense for the knowledgeable, for the wise person, they will laugh at both of them.  That’s what some people sometimes tell; some people want to put God in a box. 

Ma Ambaji:   Yes, it’s beautiful, Babaji.  And one more thing here, it’s clear to me that when You give this example of one consciousness exists everywhere, like a one mass exists in this cosmos or in this space…  So, Baba here, that says that You are aware that You exist and Your existence is permanent.  Whereas my existence, I’m just thinking that my existence has come into the appearance, and one day I’ll die and my existence will come to an end.  So, that means it’s my mind which is an illusion and doesn’t allow me to experience my permanent existence? 

Babaji Maharaj:   Yeah, just like you are the dweller inside the house.  Instead of being aware that you are that one, you are imagining house as yourself.  And thus, you are scared; the house can easily be destroyed.  Then you are scared and it’s told that you are going to die.  Something like that has happened.  You are thinking the body is you.  Body will definitely die, perish because it has appeared and it will have to disappear.  Anything that has appeared will disappear; entire universe, even the world, the sun, moon, anything, everything will all disappear, all.  The lords of the fourteen worlds as Saint Kabir Das telling, “Everything will disappear except for that one single Self that is all-pervaded.”  It has no destruction, because it has never appeared.  It always was like that only. 

You try to make a space appear.  Ask any scientist, any technologists, any engineers, anybody to build space.  They can build giant machines.  They can build giant dams, amazing engineering wonders, so many things.  An emperor can build his empire, expand his empire.  But let him build a space?  Space is already there.  Nobody needs to build the space.  The world needs to be built because if the world gets destroyed, somebody will have to create the world.  Some power, some consciousness, something.  So that’s what happened.  But the space doesn’t need anybody to produce the space.  It’s always there. 

Ma Ambaji:   So, Baba, even if I go to Mars or Moon or any other planet, if I don’t have my mind under my control, I’ll be always unhappy. 

Babaji Maharaj:   Everywhere, anywhere.  It is the mind becoming peaceful which is what gives you peace.  Means, in a simple sentence and terminology, if you are peaceful, you have peace.  If you are not peaceful, you have no peace.  That is all, simple.  Not that if you don’t have a house, you are not peaceful.  If you don’t have an empire, you are peaceful.  No.  You get a house.  Again, some trouble starts.  You lose your peace. Somebody should not rob you, somebody should not come and occupy your house, that’s what we keep worrying. We leave the ashram behind and come to another ashram.  If we keep worrying what if somebody occupies that ashram, then we lose peace.  We are at peace, because we have peace.  And we are peaceful.  Because neither I own this ashram nor I own the other ashram.  So, nothing I own.  So, I don’t have to worry actually. 

Though I will try to stop unwanted elements to occupy because that ashram my Guru established so that the spiritual seekers can come sit and meditate.  Like here also, in front of me in this ashram some six, seven people, spiritual seekers, serious meditators are sitting.  Instead of them, if some alcohol drunkards want to come and sit here, I cannot allow them.  Because this place is not meant for them.  It is meant for spiritual seekers.  That is all our effort will be.  Other than that, you will not lose our peace, our contentment.  That’s what I am trying to tell. 

Ma Ambaji:   So Baba, deviating a little bit, the human beings are the most vulnerable because we always dance according to our own emotions.  And our emotions control our entire mind, and according to different emotions.  When the emotion is going to the past, we start thinking about the past and start feeling sad about what happened.  When the emotion goes into the future, we start worrying what’s going to happen in the future.  So, do You think that if I have more awareness, more constant awareness into my present, I will be much more happy, Babaji?

Babaji Maharaj:   Yeah, you see, in my opinion, not simply human beings – it can be with other creatures also.  Many places, we may not be knowing.  If we observe some of the animals in front of us, any cow or anything, when it gives birth to its calf, for a while that mother can be so emotional.  And when the calf is crying for the mother when it is hungry, the animals can be emotional for a while.  But humans are generally much more emotional than other creatures probably, because we have a well-developed brain which generates the emotions in the mind.  So, even after we fill up our belly, still we remain emotional, we don’t feel satisfied.  You fill up your pocket with the money, still you remain emotional, you are not satisfied.  You own a house in every town and city, still you are not satisfied.  If one more house you can occupy somebody’s and grab, you would like to grab, means that is human nature, I’m telling. 

Why?  Humans have become so greedy, they don’t have satisfaction because they don’t have control over their mind.  They simply don’t depend on body urges only.  After the body urges trouble, they have let their minds uncontrollably to dance.  That is what has happened since time immemorial or at least in this life, a human hardly pays any care to control the mind, to take control of the mind.  Just like you have a car, always you would like to have it under your control.  You know that very well, otherwise it can crash and it can be disastrous for you. 

But this body we neglect, and mind totally we never bother.  During our youth, or young age, we are so arrogant, “O, I don’t need any meditation, I don’t need any spirituality.  My mind is strong, and I am so focused and I can achieve so much distinction in my exam, everything,” but by the time you start facing a challenge; you have dreams about your life.  When you adopt a particular way of life, when things don’t happen according to your dream, something else happens because nothing is guaranteed in this world.  Because you are not the only one actor in this world.  There are millions and billions of actors there.  Everybody will act upon according to their wishes, their selfishness.  They won’t bother your emotions.  They will bother their own emotions.  That is how clashes happen amongst human beings, between human beings.  And this is what happens.  So, the reason is we have not bothered to keep our mind under our control, restrained.  Always when I talk of control, not that somebody else will control.  We have to bother to keep our mind under our control.  That means we have to bother to keep ourselves under our control.  Not allow it to dance to its own tunes. 

Ma Ambaji:   Baba, You always say that when you make the judgment, your judgment can be your illusion.  So, that means it’s not hundred percent; my judgment cannot be true all the time.  Because I’m judging, it’s my truth.  But it’s not necessarily the permanent or the reality.  So, every time I make a judgment, that means I’m going away from my existence or I am just dancing according to my emotions and making my judgements? 

Babaji Maharaj:   You are simply dancing according to your emotions.  The mind is making you to dance to its tunes.  You don’t have control over your mind.  You are unable to apply proper wisdom.  Say for example, applying a wisdom and having the mind under control;  say you don’t know outsiders or others.  You know only your mind for a while.  You don’t know the mind of others, who will be your friend and who will be your enemy, who will stab you from back and who will protect you.  You don’t know, actually.  Even you might expect somebody and something else might happen.  But for this, instead of bothering about others, if you bother about yourself, prepare yourself, strengthen your defense strength so that nobody, no power is able to attack you mentally.  When you gain the knowledge of your real Self, anybody can attack your physical body, but you will realize no power can attack you as that real Self.  That’s what Sri Krishna talking in Bhagavad Gita advises Arjuna, “No weapon can slay that, and no fire can burn.”  Who can burn the space?  Who can slay the space?  Which nuclear bomb can destroy the space?  They can boast of a nuclear bomb destroying another country, but can they destroy the space?  One day they will also get destroyed, but the space will always be there.  But when you realize you are that space… 

Ma Ambaji:   Yes, Babaji, I understand this point of being aware of my permanent existence.  But this life, means any life does matter.  As a body, it does matter.  Means a human life or even an animal; the life in that species does matter.  We can’t say that, “It doesn’t matter.  It’s just a body.”  We can’t say that because every single being has the same consciousness, same existence.  And like You said, it’s the same consciousness; consciousness operates in different individuals.  So, every life does matter.  But what I’m trying to say here, Babaji, that having this value for every life, at the same time if you get this awareness that me as a permanent existence is not going to disappear…  So, am I understanding that, Babaji?

Babaji Maharaj:   Yeah.  I am understanding what your question is. You see, say I have realized the Self.  But still, if anybody tries to harm the physical body, we will try to defend.  That itself doesn’t mean that I am too attached to the body.  If for some reason the body has to go, let it go.  I won’t be worried too much.  But we will defend because this body is needed to be in this world.  Through this body only I can teach this truth.  Through this body only I inspire people, I can communicate with you.  Without this body, if you are asking a question, I won’t have been able to answer the question at all.  In this world, it matters.  But that doesn’t mean that without this body we cannot exist and we cannot have any peace or happiness at all.  That I’m going to hold on to my body like this.  It’s not possible.  That’s what we have to realize.  Ultimately, this body is impermanent.  One day it will go. 

Fifty years ago as a twenty-year-old boy, I came to my Guru’s Ashram.  It’s going to be fifty years.  That means this body has become seventy years as we have been watching.  When we see in the mirror, this has become old with white hairs.  That is natural.  It has to happen.  We are not bothered, worried.  But we will try to take care.  We will give some food.  Simply because it has become seventy years we will stop eating – not necessary.  Because in my mind, there is no attachment.  The day it has to go, it will go on its own.  I don’t have to put any effort at all.  Because it is nature.  The button is pressed already that this body will die one day.  So, why should I bother about anything?  Simply, I will try to protect.  That’s how one has to go. 

Means while we try to teach of the Self; we are not this body, one should not misunderstand that we should not care or we should not bother about this world or this one.  We should dream that we will build a better world.  We will build a better peaceful world, peace for all.  We should dream that all humanity learn to live for each other, consider about each other, let conflicts come to an end.  At least let us dream.  There are no charges.  You don’t have to spend dollars.  At least let us dream.  Let us try to talk.  Seven people sitting here, 144 people sitting here.  I would like to convey to them, all of you, sincerely meditate and look after your mind that it is not corrupted.  Only every individual – you can look after that your mind is not corrupted.  Others may not understand.  One may not understand the other’s mind but every individual, you will know your mind.  You protect.  But if you allow it to become corrupted, you are a condemned person for 55,000 lifecycles.  That Swamiji used to tell.  You will undergo in all species and you will be unhappy.  You will be stressed out.  You will lose your peace, because you will always be greedy.  Fool, idiot – that’s what will happen.  Instead of that, if you realize yourself, you realize yourself: you are always at peace.  This is possible to achieve through the sadhana of meditation. 

Ma Ambaji:   So, Baba, purification of the mind does lead you to consider every single being around you and you can live more happily and peacefully.  Am I right?

Babaji Maharaj:   Yeah.  You see, it is my experience, if you sincerely meditate, you purify your mind, means your consciousness overcomes all corruptedness, selfishness and narrow-mindedness.  If at all it thinks, it thinks of a larger cause; we dreamt, I never wanted any individual home for myself.  When devotees wanted to give some donation, we said that we will build an ashram where everybody can come.  If it is an individual’s house, people will hesitate to come.  Because it’s ashram, Babaji will give darshan in the evening.  Anybody is welcome.  Everybody can come.  That’s what we want to tell.  So, that is our dream for everybody, universal.  I don’t have any one family blood that I will allow only this family blood, and no other’s should come.  There is no such thing, reservation.  Anybody who is a serious seeker can come. 

That’s what you will always think of a larger cause.  You will not be narrow-minded.  Anybody doing very good, achieving wonderful things, without any reservations, whether they are your relatives, friend, or not a friend, not a relative, you will appreciate.  Even if it’s a worst enemy, you will definitely appreciate if there is any good in them.  There was a person who always disliked me, criticized me, never wanted.  Whenever I spoke about that person, I tried to speak good things that was in that.  He was equally talented also, but he is selfish, narrow-minded, wants to destroy others.  Such corruptions are there.  But always we try to appreciate whatever good was in that. 

So, like that we try to see good.  But when it comes, if they exhibit bad things, we will have to be careful.  That’s what Ramakrishna said, “If you think of Narayana in a tiger, be careful about that Narayana.  If you go in front of that, it will maul, eat you up, finish you.  You have to be careful.”  If it is a cunning, crooked person; careful.  He might be backstabbing you; careful, defend yourself.  Don’t allow.  He might disturb your mission, he might try to destroy your ashram.  Careful.  Like this, we have to go in this world, but our own consciousness will not be corrupted.  We don’t try to occupy anybody else’s land.  We don’t need.  If it is our Guru‘s land, we will take care of that.  If other authorities want us to get out of the property, we will simply get out, handing over the property to them.  Like that.  We have to be upholding human values.  That means, if everybody can sincerely meditate – sincerely – provided they sincerely meditate, they can overcome all corruptedness.  So, imagine if all humanity can meditate.  If they can overcome corruption, everybody will be happy.  So, when there is no need for any conflict, there is no place for a conflict, that’s it. 

Ma Ambaji:   Baba, again, going a little away from this existing thing.  My existence brings desires in me, my existence as an individual brings lots of desires in me.  And sometimes when those desires get fulfilled, I’m happy.  When those desires don’t get fulfilled, I get frustrated, I get angry.  And sometimes I start blaming others because my desires are not getting fulfilled.  What I want I’m not getting.  So, I start blaming other people and I start seeing the truth in that also.  Means I’m fooling myself and try to fool everyone around me; “See this is what happened.”  So, this is drama by my own emotions, how to overcome that?

Babaji Maharaj:   The source is simply you have forgotten yourself.  And you have identified yourself as something else.  And you are trying to fulfill the wishes of that something else.  You are trying to give peace and happiness and contentment to that something else which will never get satisfied.  Always if you have seen, when something of your wishes in this world happens, it is only temporary.  It is not permanent.  Say you wanted the house, you get a house.  Then your peace is not going to remain permanently.  For some time you are happy, you are excited.  You will do a housewarming, you will invite your friends and you do everything.  And then after everybody goes, then your mind starts craving for something else.  It jumps again because you have identified wrongly about yourself with the wrong thing that is the body.  You have forgotten yourself.  If you know your real Self, you are always contented, you are happy.  Nobody can rob your happiness at all.  Because there is no need for your existence. 

See, this formula, this technology, science, anything you want to know, as long as you don’t need anything, you are happy.  For this, my Guru used to tell sometimes, “By your desires, you become a beggar.  If you are contented, you are like an emperor.”  When you don’t need anything, nobody can bend you downwards.  If you need something, you have to beg somebody for something.  So, that’s what we realize if we meditate; we can overcome this.  All these problems we can overcome.  You have a desire, but you will have acceptance.  If it doesn’t happen, “It’s okay, no problem.”  A portion of our ashram was taken away by others.  We want it to come back.  If it doesn’t happen, for that I am not going to cry, I am not going to worry.  It’s okay.  [inaudible] I have nothing to lose.  But I want to do my duty as a servant of my Guru. 

Ma Ambaji:   Baba, again, going back to the same existence thing.  You know, the story from the Yoga Vashista where Lilavati is crying, seeing her husband’s body.  Her husband has passed away.  But then Mother Saraswati takes Lilavati, Goddess Saraswati appears and takes Lilavati to a different plane and shows her that “Your husband is here.”  And here he has a different wife, different children, but at the same time, for the same husband.  So, is it possible or is this just a story to give us this understanding that this illusion is created by me, or can this happen in this consciousness that I can be existing on Mars also?

Babaji Maharaj:   You see, let us leave this aside for a while and go for a practical approach.  Almost all of us would have lost a beloved one sometime.  A parent, a grandparent or anybody.  Where are they now?  We might be worried about them.  We might be crying for them.  We might be emotional for them.  But where are they?  Where are they?  When we don’t know where are they, then where do we cry?  And that body is here.  As a young boy, Ramana Maharishi said this.  When his uncle was dead, everybody was crying.  See, the knowledge and wisdom.  He said, “If this body is our uncle, this body is here.  Why are you crying?  You keep this body.  If it is not this body, something else, then that also we don’t know.  When we don’t know anything about that uncle, why should we cry?”  

Give a benefit of doubt.  In which life there are, in which birth they have taken or not taken, but they have not come back to talk to us.  Our grandparents have never come back, “O, you are my grandchild.  You have become a yogi.  That’s wonderful.”  They have never,  nobody has come back to tell me that.  We don’t know where they are.  So, like that.  See, the practical approach.  This is the truth that is in front of us.  Here the story is told just to tell how time and space are imagination.  Whatever we imagine, we get to see that thing.  That body of the husband was there.  But the soul has departed.  It had become unconscious of the body.  Now, she thought her husband is dead.  The body was a dead body, she was crying for that one.  But that soul which had left the body, she didn’t know where it had gone.  To show that, Goddess Saraswati showed, “This is your husband.  After leaving this body, he is here.”  Just to teach her the lesson that “It’s all illusion what you are imagining.  You need to overcome this sadness.  Because a thing about which you don’t know, a thing about which that your husband doesn’t remember you anymore…” 

All the departed ones, they don’t remember.  Otherwise, when we were suffering, when we were hungry, they would have come back.  Grandmother would have come with milk, rabbadi (Indian dish), something, “O, my grandchild, you are hungry.”  But nobody came.  That is the practical approach, that is the truth in front of us.  That means that is the truth.  That’s what has been tried to tell through this story – for a thing which you don’t know, unnecessarily you are suffering. 

Ma Ambaji:   So, Baba, coming back again to the same thing.  So, this time and space – they are same or they are two different things?  Time and space are different, or time and space are the same, and they exist in itself or they are in duality?

Babaji Maharaj:     Actually, they are same.  And in our teachings as we tell, time and space are imaginations – there is a reason.  Mind is a thing that we have imagined.  Whereas the mind itself exists.  But the things that have been imagined in the mind do not exist.  Whereas time does not exist on its own.  But for which we consider a time; a difference between appearance and a disappearance, we call it the time.  That time exists.  Imagination for our sake of understanding.  Thus, both are imaginations.  But both are same.  That time and mind are space.  Space also, the word ‘space’ is imagination.  Because when I tell space, some criteria might strike your mind.  That is not true.  Let’s take it as it is, tattva, ‘That’.  Whatever you get to see, ‘this’.  That is truth.  This is in front of us.  This is truth.  But what it is, you don’t know because you have not experienced, you have not tried to observe properly.  You are observing your thoughts and visions.  Just get rid of that.  The secret will be revealed.  Amazing secret will be revealed of what this is. 

Ma Ambaji:   That means the existence is beyond time and space also? 

Babaji Maharaj:   Yes.  Because both time and space are imaginations.  This we call the void place in between two hands is known as space.  That is imagination.  We are trying to limit.  Simply that is not the space.  Space is simply all-pervaded.  That’s so wonderful, it’s everywhere, you know?  So that’s why we tell you time and space are imaginations.  The Self is the Truth.  The all-pervaded is the Truth. 

Ma Ambaji:   It’s amazing, Baba.  It’s really hair raising, even just listening to this topic that how my existence is so secure and permanent.  It just gives me so much like, goosebumps on my skin that it’s so beautiful to hear this, this Truth. 

Question:   Listening to this conversation, those thoughts come up, questions come in the mind.  And so, I have some interesting ones.  If there is no birth or death for the soul consciousness, where is there the place for rebirth?  Or is all of the experience of the soul a play or drama?  And why would we the soul want to play this game of birth and death?

Babaji Maharaj:   Yeah.  Let me answer this question.  Consciousness doesn’t get born.  But however, when there is imagination, you get to see as if you are born and you are going to die.  It is the physical body which is always born and which dies.  Watching the physical body being born, you start considering that you are born.  When the physical body is going to die, you start thinking that you are going to die.  That is how things happen.  Actually, consciousness itself is not born ever.  That is the truth.  This will be revealed when you meditate and clear your mind.  And as long as the imagination is there, you will get to see the birth and death.  Just like when imagination is there in your mind, based on the imagination only this world appears to you either as a good or a bad, like that. 

Same Questioner:   So, why would we want to come to play that game?  That was the second point. 

Babaji Maharaj:   Nobody asked you to come.  You wanted to come and you came.  Means, I am joking, but I’m telling you the reason.  Because you left your mind uncontrollably to go as it wished instead of trying to control, since time immemorial.  That is why in this life a teacher has come to you and is asking you to practice to control your mind so that you don’t have to be reborn again.  You don’t have to go into such thoughts, unnecessarily putting you into trouble.  Even now there is time.  You practice meditation, overcome all thoughts, then you won’t be running from pillar to pillar, life after life, life after life.  It is still possible.  Whatever has happened till now, it has happened.  Forget about it.  At least in the future you can stop being born again.  If this makes any sense, practice meditation. 

Question:   Namaste Babaji, I want to ask this continuation of the same question, what You were discussing before.  If all of our consciousness and everything and anything is the same, then why we have to be first of all physically here?  And what are we trying to achieve by being physically present?  If everything is the same, what is the purpose of all this?

Babaji Maharaj:   Yeah, though it is the same, through the brain’s reflections you have developed a different way of imagining.  That’s why you feel the difference.  Once you overcome this imagining, that difference also disappears and you will get to see the only one.  Just like I was explaining, the space inside the drum, the space inside the earthen pot is all the same.  Once you realize this; “This is also the space, this is also the space, it cannot be different.”  But they, both spaces start differently thinking because of some reason; they start feeling the difference.  The space inside the earthen pot starts calling, “Hey, you are a drum, you are a drum.”  That drum calls the space that is inside the earthen pot, “You are earthen pot.”  That is what has happened to all, everyone who are here.  So, to overcome this only spiritual exercises are taught, particularly meditation so that eventually you can get rid of all imagination and realize this Self, realize it is one single Self that exists; that will be possible. 

Same Questioner:   I have one more question.  The continuation of the same thing, what we were discussing earlier.  We all have a lot of emotions, and first of all, why this mind is creating that sense of emotion; anger, love, whatever it is, guilt – there are so many different emotions we have, which are all a kind of imagination of our own mind.  First of all, why these emotions, and why, as a human being, we feel this as these intense emotions, and how to transcend beyond those emotions and try to realize ourselves? 

Babaji Maharaj:   First, it is not the mind which is generating all these emotions.  It is the brain which is generating and reflecting.  Brain is in touch with the world, universe – through the nervous system sensory organs it receives messages.  That is where we always tell, “Brain can be a very good servant, but a very bad master.”  Whatever it reflects, the mind catches the reflection, registers in itself and becomes a victim of the brain’s reflections.  Thus, it becomes engulfed with all these emotions, unwanted, which are not in the mind; mind is a pure consciousness actually.  So, this can be overcome by practicing mind control exercises like meditation.  Meditation is a mind control, means you are able to control yourself, and you will not allow your mind or yourself to become a victim of the brain’s reflections.  You’ll be able to apply wisdom in a proper way; “This is not necessary.  This anger is not necessary, this can be harmful to me.  And this greed is not necessary, I just have to work for my need only.”  Like that you are able to rectify all the faults when you control your mind, it will be possible.  You can overcome, definitely. 

All you have to understand and try.  That is why spiritual exercises, religious exercises are always taught.  But people have misunderstood about religion, misused them in a wrong way.  It is all the three things – control your body through proper exercises, keep it healthy; using the body, control your mind and try to keep it healthier, so that it overcomes.  And that is also the reason ancient sages spoke about six enemies of the mind, arishadwarga – kaama, kroda, loba, moha, madha, matsarya; extreme greed, extreme anger and extreme attachment to materialistic things and extreme stinginess, extreme false pride, extreme jealousy.  These things are six enemies.  Whoever has got in their mind, their mind becomes the casualty, they warned.  Practice sadhana so that you can overcome these things.  Keep your mind as a pure consciousness so that these things shall not bother.  Even the brain reflects, you reject them.  You exercise proper wisdom.  Learn how to use the brain properly to live happily in this world.  It will be possible if you practice meditation sincerely.  Bless you. 

Question:   Thank You, Babaji.  In this world are now eight billion people plus animals.  Is it now right to think the pure consciousness, the Self is one existence, but they are in this world eight billion different minds.  Is that what differentiates us from ourselves?

Babaji Maharaj:   It has become eight billion different minds because eight billion different brains and its reflections, the consciousness becoming a victim and taking that shape.  That’s why the difference appears.  For example, in your mind, so many characters and stories will be there.  But mind is one.  Yet so many characters, so many temperaments, so many stories appear within one mind.  It is the same consciousness in all the characters.  But they are behaving in a different way.  One character in your mind is behaving like a hero, another character behaving like a villain.  But mind is the same.  It is one Hans’ mind.  That is because of imagination. 

So, coming in contact with a brain, mind going into such imagination has created such differences.  We are killing ourselves.  We are harming ourselves.  When you understand or when you realize the Self, it is so painful, sometimes.  The same consciousness is trying to kill the same consciousness.  The same consciousness is trying to harm the same consciousness.  It is one consciousness which is harming each other and undergoing all good and bad, happiness and unhappiness.  Unwantedly, unnecessarily, this is all happening. 

Same Questioner:   And our illusion is that we just don’t recognize that we are actually one thing?

Babaji Maharaj:   Exactly.  When you try to harm the other, you are harming yourself actually. 

Question:   Pranaams, Babaji, in the same theme, what is maaya?  And how is it different than visions and dreams?

Babaji Maharaj:   You see, there is no particular definition for maaya.  But generally, in my opinion, a thing that which does not exist appears to be existing, that which does exist appears not to be existing – that is illusion.  A basic definition we can try to understand.  Because of illusion you don’t know this, you know what you don’t have to know.  Like that is what has happened. 

Same Questioner:   How is it different than dreams and visions?  So, in our mind… there are examples  saying that people who were into mind control and did huge practice, they’d also delve into the sting of maaya.  And it’s different than dreams and visions because they experienced it to be very true, and they ruined their practice.

Babaji Maharaj:     You see, dream is when the brain goes to sleep; it is into minimum active.  That’s why it creates a short-time story.  As long as you are asleep, that dream comes.  As long as it is there, it appears to be true.  So, this happens, though there is no conclusive answer, certain various reasons; depending on the food quality, the blood that is supplied to the brain, and the mind’s collision with the brain creates such a dream.  And the mind again catches that dream.  If the mind is not controlled properly through practice of tapas, then it starts considering that dream to be true and starts wondering about that dream.  It will not ignore.  It is unable to forget that dream, “Why did this happen, what is the meaning of that dream, is it saying something about the future?”  All these things all happens. 

And the visions – visions are when you are in the awakened state.  Because your mind is not under control, brain is constantly reflecting.  Fuel for the brain is blood and oxygen on one side.  Mind’s application is also a strong fuel.  If you are able to withdraw the mind through the practice of meditation, then the reflections of the brain also decrease.  It is brought to a minimum level.  Your mind will not become a victim.  So, what is important is your mind must not become a victim of the brain’s reflections.  It should be able to exercise wisdom; what you need to take in this world, what you don’t have to take.  This wisdom comes by practice of meditation.  When you overcome all corruptions of the mind, purify your mind into pure consciousness, you will be able to exercise better, larger cause, better understanding about all such things. 

For example, somebody complains about me.  But you know me since childhood.  That’s more than twenty years.  Somebody comes and says “Hey, Babaji, he is very wrong person.  He is not Self-realized, he is not a saint.  He is a womanizer, he collects lot of money.  He has so much of money all over the room.”  Somebody comes and tells.  If you take it in face value and believe, you are a fool.  For twenty years, you know me.  Do you need somebody else to tell about me?  Like, I also know you.  I don’t need anybody else to tell what Kriti is.  That is the application of wisdom, an example I am trying to tell.  We should not become a victim of somebody trying to fool us.  So, thus it will be possible when you practice meditation and purify your mind.  It will not become a victim of the brain’s reflections.  The brain can be a very good servant, but a very bad master. 

Same Questioner:   Babaji, can we say that… while reading this through, Sage Vashista coined a term ‘no mind.’  So, when we control our mind, ‘no mind.’  Like, when we are into consciousness, then it is equivalent to no mind?

Babaji Maharaj:   Yeah, you see, when there are thoughts and visions in the mind, in the consciousness, that comes to be known as mind.  If the visions and thoughts are removed, you overcome, you purify, then it becomes to be known as consciousness.  For sake of understanding, when it is pure.  Consciousness means it is pure, not yet corrupted in any way.  There are no thoughts, no imaginations. 

Question:   In the context of existence, is everything pre-determined, like actually where we have to go, with whom we have relationships?  And what is the level of consciousness and the karma aspects?  Are we having control over that one or it will be according to the pre-determined way that it will go?

Babaji Maharaj:   See, two things.  One thing is, it’s very difficult and impossible to find a conclusive answer as to when it started.  However, from previous lives, it is coming.  Every time you are born, you visualize in your mind.  That’s why we try to teach; if you can be more positive in your visualization of every thought, if you are not negative, then you can shape a better positive destiny for yourself in future lives.  If at all you have to think, think of the good, think of the Divinity, think of yourself as that atman, then you can shape a positive destiny for yourself.  And if you are negative, you can shape a negative destiny for itself.  This is one point.  Another point, if you have observed your mind, it gets into both types of thoughts, both positive and negative.  It imagines sometimes as if you are suffering, and you want sympathy from others, and that also the mind enjoys as a story.  Sometimes it imagines as if it is winning over, and that it enjoys; like both it gets involved.  This is the nature of the mind to get involved into duality. 

That is the reason how the destiny gets built up in due course of time.  Whatever you are undergoing in life is the previous lives’ visualization.  But it’s impossible to tell when it started or when it began.  That’s why Masters advise always, as soon as possible try to get rid of your imaginations so that you can realize yourself and get rid of these imaginations and these destinies you have to undergo – to whom you are to be born or to whom you will have a relationship, where you will enjoy, where you will suffer, who will be a friend with you, who will backstab you.  So many things keep happening in your life, it is all a puzzle.  “When did I imagine?” you would wonder, but mind imagines all such things, and it undergoes the same thing. 

Like this world appears to you based on your own imaginations.  Based on that you will suffer mentally, or you will overcome any suffering.  You have peace.  These things happen.  This is what is part of illusion,   the reason is. But what you can do is, you can stop your future if you don’t want to undergo all these dualities of suffering, born, died, born, died.  If you think it is senseless, and you want to get rid and get liberated, that is what; you go back to yourself.  You are that immortal, eternal soul.  It is possible.  If it makes sense for you.  Blessings to you. 

Question:   So, karma is mostly in the brain and the body? Is karma in the mind?

Babaji Maharaj:   Yeah, the mind absorbs in the doership.  When you undertake a karma through your body, mind absorbs that: “I am doing this.”  That is how the karma happens, whether it is good or bad.  So, if at all you want to act through the body, act as a good person always, then your mind will absorb the good things.  It will become good.  That is the karma.  Got it?

Question:   Namaskaarams Babaji.  This is not related to the topic of today.  I have read that Swamiji used to come in bhavasamadhi.  So, I just wanted to know, have You had experience or You met people who had experience and how is the experience of that?

Babaji Maharaj:   Swamiji Himself never said that He will come on any other physical body to talk to anybody.  But He gave people, blessed people to go into bhavasamadhi for a specific reason that they would be able to experience of a higher energy power that exists, Divinity, then He used to advise them to go into meditation to realize the Self.  For that purpose only, He tried to bless people to go into bhavasamadhi.  That has been misunderstood.  Many people misused it.  All these things happening.  But Swamiji himself never told that He will be coming on any physical body to communicate in any way.  It’s a different thing – it depends on the faith of a person.  It need not be; Swamiji is everywhere.  He is all-pervaded, in all hearts.  You believe that Swamiji is in your heart, He is in your heart, and you will get the answer within you. 

Question:   Namaste Babaji.  My question is regarding meditation.  When I did sit I feel some dual body.  My face was like this [turns face].  These things happen whenever there’s some kind of fear inside me to stop me to sit for longer for meditations.  These problems in meditations, in sittings occur during this period when I’m feeling this. 

Babaji Maharaj:   Slowly you can overcome this.  If anything such happens, you can get up, wash your face a little bit.  And remember my Guru Shivabalayogi, pray to Him and again sit down.  If necessary, you try to sit on to the wall with a pillow or a cushion.  Try to keep your back and neck straight.  And practice like that.  And in due course of time it will be all right as the meditation picks up in a better way.  Swamiji will bless you.  You will be all right. 

Same Questioner:   And one more thing, Babaji.  How much time does it take to realize the Self.  It’s a particular period or time period when we realize the Self? 

Babaji Maharaj:   You see, say for example there is a course for three years.  A college course, a university course; I’m giving you an example.  It is a three-year course.  But in the three years, sincerely you have to study and then you will be able to perform well in the examination, then the course will be over.  Otherwise, the course will not be over.  In the same way, if you understand the technique that we are teaching, and sincerely practice according to the technique then sooner you can have the realization.  Maybe within a few years, you will be able to.  But if it is not, it can linger on for many years.  So first it is important you need to be sincere.  Understand the technique.  And then practice according to the technique.  Then progress will happen.  Don’t keep bothering always: “When will it be over, when will it be over?”  Simply, go on doing.  It will soon happen one day.  Have that faith. 

Question:   Pranaam Babaji.  Babaji, my question is, the consciousness and Self are the same? 

Babaji Maharaj:   Yes, same.  Just to give a clue, that is a Supreme Consciousnes, actual Self is, like that.  Whatever consciousness of existence is there, that is the actual Self.  Eventually you will realize that when you practice meditation. 

Same Questioner:   So, one more question, Babaji.  Before coming to this; two months back only I came to know this, Shivabalayogi, and I visited You.  And before that, we may have some Gurus who we followed previously.  What should I do?  I have to continue with that or I have to discontinue that one?

Babaji Maharaj:   There is no conflict.  If you have an inclination, you can try to do that also.  Either before this meditation or after the meditation; simply don’t combine with it.  Then it will be beneficial, helpful to control the mind.  And it will help in this meditation also.  It’s no problem. 

Same Questioner:   So, is it okay to have two or three Gurus or only one Guru we must have?

Babaji Maharaj:   It is no problem having two Gurus, but never get confused with one’s teachings comparing to the other.  All are same. 

Question:   Pranaams Babaji.  Namaste.  I have been practicing ten, fifteen days with the in-between eyebrows meditation.  Some headache is coming.   Is it alright to continue that?

Babaji Maharaj:   Headaches, you see, do not try to force too much.  Gently close your eyes and gently keep watching the front portion, because eyeballs easily don’t come in one direction.  It moves parallelly like this.  So, you just watch the front portion.  In due course of time, slowly it will come to between eyebrows.  If you force, then this headache can happen.  Without forcing you gently watch, then the headache will be over.  It won’t come again. 

Question:   In this world, where there are so many obstacles, how do we progress in this spiritual path?  Like, people are creating problems in others’ lives, due to their self-interest.  And then the conflicts arise, even though when we are not doing harm to others.  How do we walk on our own journey?  It is so difficult. 

Babaji Maharaj:   You need to have faith.  Total faith in God.  Self-confidence.  Don’t give up that one; that faith is important.  That will sustain and help you.  God will definitely help you.  Always pray to God to show you the right path and protect you.  You will be protected.  God will definitely help you.  My blessing. 

Question:   Babaji, namaskar.  So, just taking Your example of space in the pot.  I have a question on that.  So, once we realize that the space in the pot is same as the other space around it, once the pot breaks, does our consciousness retain our individuality or just like air merges with air, water merges with water, space merges with space, we are merged with…?

Babaji Maharaj:   It will merge with the Ultimate Truth. 

Question:   So, then our deities who also realized probably they are the same space, how are they able to maintain their own individuality?  Or just like as You said, our Guruji also maintains individuality.  How did that happen?

Babaji Maharaj:   Listen, I never said that one.  They don’t maintain any individuality.  When you have faith in that name, the same all-pervaded Ultimate Truth can manifest in that individual form to bless you.  Because of your faith, like that.  They all have become one.  It is one single Self that exists.  Even Guruji, Maha Vishnu, Shiva, any deity, they are all in one entity.  They don’t maintain any separate entities existing anywhere in the space.  That is the truth. 

Same Questioner:   And they are imaginary as well?

Babaji Maharaj:  No, not imaginary.  I won’t tell that.  Because imaginary means you will take it as an ordinary thing.  Because imagination, creativity is not an ordinary thing.  It is your faith.  When you visualize, that truth has the power to come and appear to you in a manifestation, manifested form, that is possible.  But for that, you have to do tapas.  And you have to have faith, and if you pray, your prayers can be answered, and you will think that form helped you.  It is the same Divine which will help you always.  That is how it happens. 

Question:   Namaste Babaji.  Thank You for Your time.  So, my question is related to dreams.  I’m just wondering if it is related to the purity of our mind.  So, if we are having dreams, does it mean that our minds are not pure?  Does it have any relation at all?  

Babaji Maharaj:   You see, only if your mind firmly believes that dream as a truth, then the mind is not pure.  Even if mind is pure, a dream might occur.  But because that is the reflection of the brain, production of the brain, it produces a picture.  The mind should not become a victim of that dream.  Means if the mind is weak, you have not practiced meditation, then the mind believes; that is wrong.  Otherwise, mind can remain as a pure entity, even if the brain reflects.  Just like this world will exist when your mind becomes pure also.  In its own way, the world will exist.  But when your body goes, you will merge with the Ultimate Truth. 

Question:   While doing meditation, I can see that there is no existence of me.  But when I go to office and start working there, there is strong identification with the body at that time. 

Babaji Maharaj:   Yeah, let it happen for a while.  It’s no problem.  You don’t worry and don’t try to change this situation.  When you practice meditation, slowly, slowly, naturally the consciousness will pick up that.  But if you try to do it by an imagination, you will do it wrongly.  So, if the consciousness comes to the body, let it be so that you can perform your duties in the office properly.  And then when you come back, you practice meditation.  It will be all right, in due course of time  you will be able to overcome that one. 

Question:   Babaji, I have been trying to meditate with the same technique for almost two months.  And slowly, and I do, I could feel some pressure here [pointing in-between eyebrows] during meditation.  And even after meditation, sometimes when I’m working and I’m walking also I could feel a gentle pressure.  It feels nice.  Is it normal or how to take that?

Babaji Maharaj:   It is normal.  Nothing to worry, like a tingling type of sensation will happen.  That will help you to remain focused there.  So, let it be on its own if it is there.  Whenever you sit down, your focus will be much better on that point.  So, it is a good thing, no problem.                         

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