0:00 Intro
0:06 Why, on the days that I feel bad about myself, the meditation is better, but when I feel good about myself, the meditation is worse?
1:09 When we sit in meditation for longer periods, and we reach the point when we get restless or the body hurts, should we just keep going for the time that we’ve set?
2:36 The only way the appearance of the world can happen is because the Self has been forgotten. How can the Self be forgotten?
5:40 So supreme consciousness and supreme energy is one united mass, no appearance – so that is the whole story?
5:51 So it’s the small ‘I’ that has forgotten the Self, like a droplet that has come out in illusion?
8:01 How can something be in existence and not exist?
12:12 How do we keep our attention on the Self in our daily lives, as King Janaka says?
14:49 Can Babaji talk about Jesus being in India?
17:15 Everything is destroyed by time ultimately – but isn’t time also an illusion?
20:23 When I feel some tension in the body during meditation, should I try to relax again?
23:29 Is it possible in meditation that there are no thoughts for a while and then suddenly visions appear again?
24:21 Babaji has said that between two thoughts there is a gap. Do we have to increase that gap?
25:26 Patanjali’s Yoga Sutras talks about the five kleshas as the root cause of unhappiness, do you agree with that?
26:35 Is there any difference between the state of a Yogi in the body and when in Mahasamadhi?
28:36 When Babaji is in meditation or is closing the eyes, is that more similar to the Mahasamadhi state?
29:20 So when Babaji is closing the eyes it is more introverted than if Babaji is doing something with the body?
29:49 Is there any utility in the teaching that says that you are already enlightened?
30:34 Is it just another illusion, thinking that you are enlightened?
33:17 So if you are really enlightened you would not seek validation?
33:41 If we conceive that enlightenment is close to us, is that better for us in our practice?
35:19 What is like for a Yogi to come back to the world after Realisation?
37:39 Do the Yogi’s vibrations have any benefit to people in their presence?

Discourse: In Quest of Truth
India Retreat 2024 – Day 9 Morning
You tube Link: https://youtu.be/7vzdgRH07Vk
Recorded: February 2024

Start of Questions and Answers

Question:   Why, on the days that I feel bad about myself, the meditation is better, but when I feel good about myself, the meditation is worse?

Babaji Maharaj:   This is like a final battle.  Mind has gone out of control since time immemorial.  So, it’s very powerful.  And you want it back, become quiet.  That’s habitual to keep thinking, keep thinking.  So much of strong habits have been picked up.  So, this is like a duel, battle.  What is important is your enthusiasm, your attitude of determination.  Like sometimes I even explain, think that you are playing a tennis match.  The opponent is hitting and you hit and you don’t give up, keep hitting.  Like that if you are enthusiastic then one day you will have the upper hand, it will come.  So we all did that, we did. Never gave up.  It will come, have that faith.  Definitely, it has to. 

Question:   When we sit in meditation for longer periods, and we reach the point when we get restless or the body hurts, should we just keep going for the time that we have set?

Babaji Maharaj:   When it becomes restless, you just have to watch yourself and take care that you exercise patience and become relaxed.  Not to be in a restless position.  If you are restless, you are applying too much of energy and wasting your energy; that could be stressful.  That much is not necessary.  This is infinite, mind is.  You just have to be quiet and skillfully, slowly…  So, like that, technically you have to adapt the things.  So thus, at that time your enthusiasm again, as I was telling him.  Go slow.  Sometimes you might feel like banging your head if it’s not coming, feel restless.  Have patience.  It will not come like that.  “Okay, it will come.  Okay, once again, let me try again.”  Relax and then watch.  It’s restless, it’s going on and going on, then again relax.  If necessary, take a long inhale and exhale of the breath.  That helps in bringing down the restlessness of the mind.  That will be helpful. 

Question:   The only way the appearance of the world can happen is because the Self has been forgotten.  How can the Self be forgotten?

Babaji Maharaj:   You have sweets in your hand, ice cream.  You are a diabetic.  You forget that you are diabetic and start eating.  Something like that could have happened to the Self also [Babaji laughs].  Something his brain keeps working.  This is sensible.  Really sensible.  It forgot that it has to keep quiet then it will have peace, then started creating.  That’s what I was trying to tell you.  You have ice cream and you are a diabetic.  You forgot you are a diabetic and start eating the ice cream.  That is how it has happened. 

So, what I have explained, the Self as it is never created anything.  Only a portion; we can call it enormous portion came and that started creating.  But the actual Parabrahman remains intact.  Nothing happens to that.  It is in Supreme Peace and in Mahasamadhi.  As it is, the whole mind doesn’t create.  Only a portion.  For us also if you observe, the whole mind doesn’t start creating.  First a small portion can create, but slowly as the time passes by, the mind, the rest of the mind becomes preoccupied with the creation.  So, that’s when it forgets about its real Self.  That’s what happens. 

So, that we can tell, like as I told the Brahma, Vishnu, Shiva concept.  First when the enormous amount was created, it did not forget about the Self.  It was well aware of the Self.  It remained in the Self, it did not get involved with the creation.  That’s why the first Trinity is known as the Divine Personalities, concepts in other words.  But the next generation, they became insecure and greedy for power, throne, fight, everything started happening.  So, they forgot the Self totally, what they are.  As they forgot the Self, they went away and away from the Self.  So that’s how it has happened.  In fact, the Master teaches the students, finally, to have such an approach, there never was anything got created at all.  Because that helps your mind also to cool down.  Otherwise, if you start thinking why this creation, who forgot whom?  Why to bother all these things?  It’s not our concern.  You just become quiet.  That’s it.  So, that is the advice necessary.  Otherwise, this can be mind-boggling.  So, if you lose the body, life after life can be gone for a long time into that illusion.

Question:   So, Supreme Consciousness and Supreme Energy is one unified mass, no appearance – so that is the whole story?

Babaji Maharaj:   No question was ever asked and no answer was given.

Question:   So, it is the small ‘I’ that has forgotten the Self, like a droplet that has come out in illusion?

Babaji Maharaj:   Yeah, that is what the illusion is.  It means everybody is dancing on the assumption of an ‘I’ which never existed at all, which does not exist at all.  Still we want to hold on to that one with simply an imagination or assumption.  And do not stick to any one particular theory at all.  When we answer, we are just trying to give you a clue so that you can give up the thinking and become quiet.  That is the teaching a Master would like to give.  Otherwise, if you ask for theories, “This is it, this is it.”  That’s why you see, one important thing, the ancient sages were also wise.  They understood this point.  If we try to give the theory, it will be like trying to measure the space and tell “Space is 12 feet,” one person said; another said, “No, space is 65 feet.”  Like that it’s a never ending process.  It’s a mind-boggling thing.  So, they called it boundless, simply boundless. 

See, that is what in science, all these things, they try to give a definite theory but it never happens.  After some time, something else is discovered, not hitherto what humanity was thinking, “It’s not like that.  It is like this.”  They may come out with some new theory.  So, they have to understand that there is no conclusive theory or final thing for this.  The root cause is just to become quiet.  That’s all.  Otherwise, this keeps happening for them, planets keep coming, planets keep coming.  They can name on any number of planets.  Nothing concrete has happened so far.  Astronomically, they keep watching, they keep watching.  Sometimes, black holes are happening.  Some other light engulfing a sun, this type of thing keep coming.  These are all illusions. 

Question:   How can something be in existence and not exist?

Babaji Maharaj:   You see, space does not exist.  It’s void.  Yet it exists as space.  That is the speciality of the space; to exist as nothing.  This one thing has the speciality.  That is how the Self exists.  It exists as nothing, but yet it exists.  That’s what, it is there and it is not there.  So, finally, you have to experience.  What you have to understand is, you have to become quiet.  That’s what the Master tries to teach you, tries to take you to that point, that once you firmly have the conviction that everything is alright, simply you have to become quiet, then the Master says, “There is nothing else that I have to teach, you become quiet.” 

Like Janaka said to Shuka Maharishi, when Shuka Maharishi thought, “I am a brahmachari born in a monastery and lived in celibacy, never got married.  So, all the time, I am able to keep my attention to the Divinity, to the Self.  But Janaka is a king, He is a householder.  How is it possible for Him that He is able to keep the attention on to the Self?”  So, Sage Veda Vyaasa tells, “You go to the Master.  Considering Him as a Master, seeking His permission, ask this question.”  He [Shuka Maharishi] comes there.  But first, Janaka’s tells, “I have some court duties.  So, you go around the town of Mithila.  When you come back, then we can talk.”  But before going, He keeps a candlelight on the head.  “Please take care that this doesn’t fall.”  He goes around and comes back.  Then Janaka asks, “What did you get to see in my Mithilapura, how is it?  Is it nice?”  He [Shuka] tells, “O king, what do I say?  You had asked me to take care of this candle.  My eyes were watching, but I did not see anything at all.  Because all the time my consciousness was on this that this should not fall down.”  Then Janaka says, “This is all I have to teach.  There is nothing else.  Just like your attention was there, but your body was going, like that we also live in this world.  I attend to court duties but my consciousness is always on the Self.  So that’s what is necessary to learn, finally.  So, this question, how a thing that does not exist appears to exist; that’s what is the illusion.

   Because, you see, about matter, whatever has been taught to you, you have assumed that to be the truth.  Instead, space also can be a matter.  They gave the substance as a matter for various reasons.  This is because this is matter and this is space.  They thought, this space is just nothing.  They neglected it.  But the space can be a matter and this is just nothing for somebody.  They want to assume like that one.  So, simply you have assumed by listening to somebody’s talks, like I am talking to you.  Simply, if you assume and keep quiet, you will never become Self-realized.  You have to become quiet and experience the Truth.  That is what is necessary.  So, it is important that you don’t get involved into existence or non-existence.  Whichever suits your temperament, you take one of them and keep going so that one day you are there where you don’t bother whether it exists or does not exist.  Simply important that you don’t bother, then you have peace.  If you bother, you lose peace. 

Question:   How do we keep our attention on the Self in our daily lives as King Janaka says?

Babaji Maharaj:   By practicing.  Like, either try to remember the Guru‘s name when you are busy with other work also so the mind remains in the single-pointedness.  Or simply accept the results as it comes in the life so that your mind cools down and keeps quiet.  It doesn’t get agitated unnecessarily.  Then also its attention is onto the Self only.  Whenever the mind is quiet or concentrated, its attention is on the Self only.  So, that’s why the beginning of the retreat also I try to advocate, try to maintain silence as much as possible. This much I told.  Whether in your room, whether in the hall, whether on the dining table, anywhere you go, try to maintain…  unless it’s very much necessary that you need to convey to someone.  But try; unnecessary talks and unnecessary gossip, “What is happening there? This is happening there.  Outside the gate what is happening?”  All these things avoid bothering too much.  That is the teaching so that you practice keeping quiet mentally also.  That’s the idea. 

But yet, you see all human beings, they are habitual to keep talking.  You go to room, you don’t talk or somebody will be talking to you.  They don’t allow you to sit peacefully because they have to talk.  Generally, for educational purposes I’m telling; some people become so habitual, they cannot keep quiet.  Single moment they get and they will try to talk on their phone.  Two minutes break is there, they will try to talk on their cell phone.  They are habitual.  We all are habitual; human beings are like that one.  So, this habit is what ten days we try to make you to give up, without trying to be harsh on you, anybody.  Just instructing.  If only you can listen to me, practice this, practice this, practice this.  Afterwards when you go back you talk; your samsara is there always, you keep talking.  But try to avoid talking.  Just accept whatever is there.  So, that is what is important which can help you to keep your attention onto the Self when it is silent. 

Question:    Can Babaji talk about Jesus being in India?

Babaji Maharaj:   Some articles we have read that some historians have mentioned that a personality like Jesus, they have met sometime somewhere in Kashmir.  See, that portion of His life is not known, generally.  So, when He went away from home and after a long time He came; after that perhaps only three or four years only He was alive when He started giving His teachings.  By watching His teachings, it was all about the Self.  He used the terminologies that were prevailing in that area.  He spoke about the kingdom.  The kingdom is the nirvana or the liberation.  When you are liberated, you reach the kingdom.  He also said, “The kingdom will not come the way that you are thinking.  It will come in its own way.”  The kingdom means… everybody started thinking it is the kingdom on this earth that you will become a king.  That was not the kingdom He was telling.  And He spoke of the father.  The father is the Divinity, symbolizing; instead of Divinity He spoke of the Father, Holy Spirit, like these things, watching all this only. But He definitely practiced meditation.  He came to India. 

In those days also…  India has always seen Self-Realized Masters enormously.  This trend is there, since ancient times this is going on.  So, here, even today you are able to sustain yourself.  Like in the West, it may be difficult, it may not be possible to sustain like that and to go and sit in a cave or do meditation.  Nobody will bother about you.  Here, at least if you are sitting, somebody will come and provide you some bread or something to eat.  So, like this type of things happen.  So, He would definitely have come.  It is only a guess we have to think, the way that He taught.  Whether He was in Rishikesh, Nalanda, or Kashmir, what He taught, that teaching is more important for people.  So that is what if one can follow, then they will be benefited. 

Question:   Everything is destroyed by time, ultimately.  But isn’t time also an illusion?

Babaji Maharaj:   “In due course of time.”  Time is not an entity which will stand, hit and smash and powder the head.  That is what we need to understand.  So, that is what happens.  It is infinity.  It is not an entity that is there.  That is how it is recognized.  It is here today.  So, in due course of time, after ten years, after twenty years, the body will die.  So, that is how the time…  So, time will consume everything.  It goes.  So, anything that has appeared, it has a stay of only for a short while or for some time only.  That is what we try to recognize as “Time, time”, but nobody has seen what the time is, time itself is.  That time itself is the Self, finally, Ultimate Truth. 

That is never seen, you see?  Mind is never seen.  Mind, nobody has seen in naked eyes.  Everything that is in the mind people recognize, people talk, people discuss, everything they do, but mind itself, hardly people discuss or try to understand what it is.  It is infinite, mind itself.  It is the mind which creates, the mind which consumes, means withdraws.  In the terminologies, many people have confusions about destruction, withdrawal is different.  Like, generally it is said Brahma as the creator, Vishnu as the protector, Shiva as the destroyer.  So, for this many people are averse, Indians in particular.  I have told, we need to modify the understanding.  He is not the destroyer.  It’s withdrawal.  You create something in your mind.  As long as you want you sustain that story.  And when you are tired, you become quiet, means you withdraw that.  So, you are not harming anybody in that process, right?  You created, which never got created.  You protected, which never existed and you withdrew, which was not there in any form.  So, like that is the actual truth.  To understand that truth, you have to meditate; until then it’s not possible.  Finally, we have to accept; if nothing else we understand, we just have to accept the fact that it has the capacity to whatever it wants to do.  That is why it is Divine in nature.  [Babaji shrugs and laughs].

Question:   When I feel some tension in the body during meditation, should I try to relax again?

Babaji Maharaj:   Yeah, that is why I tell, try to be gentle, as gentle as possible for yourself.  Do not be harsh and do not become restless.  Then you are likely to harm yourself.  Because that is infinite.  No matter you put your hand like this, [Babaji mimics trying to grab the space] “The space is not coming to my hand.”  I lose my temper.  I keep hitting, “Ah, come on, come on.”  So, it does not happen like that.  This fact we have to understand.  “Now, this is not coming to my hand, but I can bring the mind to this level,” is possible.  Everything that is in there, you just relax. [stays in silence].  You practice, then you will get to feel that is an energetic force which becomes quiet, and it can expand.  It can become contracted, become quiet. 

So, something is there.  Not without any substantial existence value that we are struggling to make it quiet.  That is what you have to realize, everybody who meditates. Once you catch it, then you focus your attention on that one.  Till then, you are simply struggling with the thoughts.  The thoughts are there, thoughts are there, visions are there.  Many people don’t even progress further, but they get involved with the visions and thoughts.  They want to know what the vision, who gave the vision, what the meaning of the vision.  It is all waste of time.  Three days have gone by analyzing, trying to make a judgment.  They go to a guru.  The guru is a very good composer of stories.  He will tell some story about the vision, “This is it, this is it, this is it,” but the mind has not become quiet.  No useful thing has happened.  So, there is one story, about that another story has been told to satisfy temporarily.  So, like that it goes on and on. 

But the real teaching is, do not bother about it, means don’t become restless also.  Relax, relax.  Then you will get to feel that thing is there.  It doesn’t appear to be there, anything at all, but yet you feel that your consciousness of existing expands and it can contract.  This is possible.  There is one of the main experience themes that you obtain during the deeper meditations.  There is nothing, but yet you feel the contraction and expansion.  With the expansion, the thoughts increase, with the contraction, the thoughts decrease.  Silence.  You experience the silence. 

Question:   Is it possible in meditation that there are no thoughts for a while and then suddenly visions appear again?

Babaji Maharaj:   Yeah, it will come because the mind has become habitual.  So, you are coaxing it, “Keep quiet, keep quiet.”  Suddenly it escapes and runs away.  The child has gone there.  The mother goes after that one, “I told you not to play in the mud.  I told you not to play in the mud.”  She brings it and washes, everything she keeps it.  Two minutes she goes to do some small cooking and it runs again to the mud.  That’s how the mind is, the child.  So, your effort should be to bring it back, make it quiet.  So that it picks up such habit and it tires and doesn’t go out anymore, the mind. 

Question:   Babaji has said that between two thoughts there is a gap.  Do we have to increase that gap?

Babaji Maharaj:   Yeah, if you stop paying attention to the thoughts, or you just watch, then the thoughts disappear.  The gap increases.  That gap you will feel, that is the consciousness of existence.  That’s what you will get to experience.  But for that, you have to just watch so that the thoughts disappear.  But as long as the thoughts are there, your attention is on the thought and you don’t notice that gap at all.  Very tiny, minute thing is there, thought after thought, thought after thought, when millions of thoughts are coming, it goes unnoticed and you don’t get time.  But if you succeed in just watching then the millions of thoughts all decrease, they collapse.  So, then this gap only becomes visible.  That’s what is the consciousness of existence. 

Question:   Patanjali’s Yoga Sutras talks about the five kleshas as the root cause of unhappiness.  Do You agree with that?

Babaji Maharaj:   Constant craving of the mind is the basic reason.  So, any of these things creates such cravings.  That’s what it is.  That’s why the ancient sages called it six enemies of human mind, actually.  Extreme greediness, extreme anger, extreme stinginess, extreme attachment to materialistic things, and false pride, jealousy.  So, these are the negative thoughts.  Means any thought comes under the heading of any of these things.  Otherwise, the thoughts will subside and stop finally.  So, that’s what happens.  Until the thoughts do not subside and dissolve, the unhappiness is always there.  Cravings will always be there, generates.

Question:    Is there any difference between the state of a Yogi in the body and when in Mahasamadhi?

Babaji Maharaj:   The slightest difference will be this body is alive, so the consciousness is a little bit in touch with the brain.  That’s how this is alive.  When the body drops, that finally merges totally.  It doesn’t come up even an iota also.  That’s why Jeevanmukta while alive in the body, they are known as.  Or Videhamuktas when the body is dropped.  But while Jeevanmukta also, they are Self-Realized.  Why?  The mind doesn’t go into craving or further imaginations.  They don’t lose control over that.  They are staying in the awareness of the Self all the time.  That has to happen.  So, that much of difference will be there. 

Question:   So, it’s one small step more?

Babaji Maharaj:   You see, it’s not one small step more.  It is simply a status.  They both are equal.  But if the body is there, they are able to give teachings to others.  When the body is gone, then it simply depends on your faith.  No teachings can be given.  No answer can be given for your questions.  So, you need to have your faith, whatever you have.  So, that’s what happens.  I give teachings as long as the body is there.  I am able to talk a language that all of you are able to understand through your physical body.  The same language.  But once I drop the body, the language that I speak, none of you can understand.  Swamiji is able to speak now.  But nobody can understand His language until you yourself don’t become Self-Realized.  So, that is the difference of the body, the body is gone.  Body will go, definitely. 

Question:   When Babaji is in meditation or is closing the eyes, is that more similar to the Mahasamadhi state?

Babaji Maharaj:   It is the same whether I close the eyes, go to meditation or I am opening the eyes and just watching.  To inspire people, I also sit down sometimes.  So, that’s what I do so that others feel inspired.  Sometimes I don’t feel like.  If I have to answer questions, I don’t go more deeper.  I try to keep awake myself.  I just keep sitting something and keep doing something a little bit so that I am alert to this world.  That is necessary.  So, that’s what is important.  Otherwise, you will take me granted. 

Question:   So, when Babaji is closing the eyes it is more introverted than if Babaji is doing something with the body?

Babaji Maharaj:   Closing the eyes, it is quiet.  Open the eyes, it is quiet.  Simply the eyes gets closed and eyes open.  The idol is sitting there.  You put a curtain, the idol is there.  You take out the curtain, idol is there. 

Question:   Is there any utility in the teaching that says that you are already enlightened?

Babaji Maharaj:   No, in my opinion it is wrong.  Some teachers do employ this one, many of the people; it’s for wrong reasons.  See, something wrong is there and you are searching.  Illusion has happened and enlightenment is not there.  If it was there, your search would have ended.  You wouldn’t have been traveling here, there, all things, you would have started teaching; while teaching you would have been completely contented. 

Question:   Is it just another illusion thinking that you are enlightened?

Babaji Maharaj:   Yes.  So, to give an illusion.  So, I tell you are already enlightened.  I tell that you are an emperor.  You are president of America.  You start thinking, “O, I am the president of America,” but you are not the president of America, is the truth.  If I tell that you are enlightened, I am not eligible to be a teacher at all and I myself am not enlightened.  That’s why I am telling that you are also enlightened.  If I am a teacher, never compromise on this thing.  Even if you accuse me, if you get annoyed with me, if you run away from me, I will talk the truth that you need to get enlightened.  You need to practice.  You need to get rid of thoughts, visions, everything.  That is the truth.  So, the truth I have to talk. 

It happened, I fully understand.  One of my Swamiji’s devotees was a lady – when we completed tapas came twenty years ago, she told she was going to another lady saint.  That lady saint told “You are already enlightened.  You don’t have to get any enlightenment.”  “Is this true Swamiji,” she asked me, “Babaji is this true that I am enlightened.  What do You see in me?”  I simply asked “Do you have the peace?  Do you have the awareness of your real Self or simply thoughts are going on in your mind?  Based on the thoughts only, you are thinking that you are enlightened.  You tell me, because nobody else can know what’s happening in your mind.  You know, you don’t need a teacher or another saint to tell that you are enlightened. 

If you are enlightened, your search stops there.  The mind stops.  You are at peace, totally.  If it is not there, the peace is not there, your mind is not quiet, you are not enlightened.  Don’t believe that saint who tells like that one.  You need to get enlightened.  You work for that one.  Because otherwise, simply you keep thinking you are enlightened and this body will die one day and you are not enlightened, next birth you will lose control.  What you will become.  You come back into the spinning again and there that saint will not be there to tell you that you are enlightened and you are struggling and moving here and there.  What’s the use?  Enlightenment is a thing you need to achieve.  It’s not a thing that somebody has to give you a certificate.”  This is what I answered.

Question:   So, if you are really enlightened you would not seek validation?

Babaji Maharaj:   You don’t need anybody’s certificate or telling anybody that you are enlightened.  Simply, I tell you are enlightened, as Ambaji tells, you will give 20,000 rupees; you are happy that you have been declared enlightened.  That is what is happening.  We have seen that.  Both Ambaji and I, we have seen this.

Question:   If we conceive that enlightenment is close to us, is that better for us in our practice?

Babaji Maharaj:   Instead of that, if you conceive, you can get enlightened if you put in effort, feel enthusiastic about that.  That’s what will see you through.  Otherwise, it is fifty-fifty; often it can make you lazy also.  You are close to enlightenment just like a rabbit.  But the tortoise was slow and steady, wins the race; it was going, going, going, it never stopped.  It ran, the rabbit ran; “Oh, the tortoise is so slow, I can take a nap.” Then it went on sleeping and the tortoise reached the goal.  That type; that’s what happens.  So, these things are not helpful.  It is simply creating another further illusion.  And they form a club, club members; “I am also enlightened.  You are also enlightened.” 

So, that’s why Swamiji said one thing, “If any Guru tells, “I will do it for you, I will give you,” never believe.  You have to do it.”  Self-effort, purushartha.  A Guru only teaches the path.  And as a torch bearer inspires you, guides you, be with you.  Nobody can give Self-Realization to the other.  It is your mind which has to become quiet. 

Question:   What is like for a Yogi to come back to the world after Realization?

Babaji Maharaj:   As she was talking; the elephant entering a small thatched hut, type. Now, a small portion of mind is operating in all your bodies.  Its potency is just ten percent.  When it becomes silent, means as it goes on becoming silent, silent, then it merges with the expanded consciousness, the all pervaded consciousness.  That is many, many hundred thousand potency consciousness.  So, when that is sitting in this body, so that’s what the vibrations, it came out. 

As soon as we come out of the tapas, still we have not been able to control it, slowly.  For some time, like in the beginning years I used to be dazed.  Anybody called me, used to go there, anybody asked me to sit down, used to sit down.  Never resisted, never told anything; these type of things were happening.  Ambaji was looking after me at that time carefully.  Means, “These are Your devotees, Babaji, You need to recognize, otherwise Your organizer is sending them away.  They don’t want them to come.”  Any such thing, she was looking after.  Any food that was given, she used to tell, “No, this is not suitable to Babaji, you should not give.”  For that reason, they became annoyed with her.  She became a stumbling block.  They wanted to get rid of her.  Then they wrote to me, “Can you make that Rekha doesn’t come with You, then we can come to pick You up.”  So, that’s when that resistance came, because I have seen her from a young girl, and looking after this body during the tapas.  When that was touched, that came.  Until then, I was not resisting anything again, I didn’t know. 

So, like that, the vibrations keep coming; slowly, then we controlled that one.  Slowly, slowly controlling.  In the beginning, everybody, they wanted to see, means they were thinking that “This is some power, we need to catch hold, control that one.  Then we can do that one.”  That’s how people felt. 

Question:   Do the Yogi’s vibrations have any benefit to people in their presence?

Babaji Maharaj:   If they are also a little bit receptive, that’s important.  They need to be.  Otherwise, Buddha may be there in a gas pump and they won’t notice if they are totally dropped out people, not even a slightest also.  See, last year, the lady who sent you here, your friend, the amount of vibration that you would have felt in me, she wouldn’t have felt.  Because their imagination is still a brother disciple, not above me much too much.  So, they have some respect, but don’t get attracted that much. 

So, the difference in the receptiveness makes a difference.  So, then when the receptiveness is there, they’re able to feel, otherwise they won’t feel.  Even now also, if a receptive is very strong, they’re able to feel.  Means several boys who came closer to me, served me, they could not feel that receptiveness and they abused and went away.  I don’t know what receptiveness she has got, she has seen in me.  She has stayed with me.  I call that she is only a mad or stupid [Gurudeva joking about Mata Ambaji.]

End of Session